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#31
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by ChicagoAS - Jul 21, 2026, 08:50 AMQuote from: PhillyTim on Jul 20, 2026, 11:36 AMI don't want to be the guy that just won a chip and becomes a know it all but I will say that I found it highly rewarding to tear down and rebuild. I pretty much the first several seasons just tried to keep the team I had in 1988 together and replace them as they left. All built around randall cunningham.
When I had a chance to rebuild I pretty much decided I was going to be really good at one thing on offense and defense and try my best to be okay at the rest.
I decided I was going to run the ball better than anyone so I invested in all three types of backs. I invested in run blocking machines on the line. I didn't forget passing but it was secondary. If you can't help my running game I don't need you on offense no matter how good you are elsewhere.
I did the same with defense. Then I built my playbooks around it.
It worked! My run game was unstoppable last season and it kept me in close games, won enough to make the playoffs and won when it mattered.
Good lord man I just now looked you had 2700+ rushing yards last season. Holy hell!
Your division better beef up the run defense for sure!!
#32
NFL Draft / Re: 2003 NFL Draft
Last post by ChicagoAS - Jul 21, 2026, 08:28 AMI need a LB bad so I guess I gotta take this guy with an 85 overall cb still out there.
Cato June LB
Cato June LB
#33
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by NewYorkSC - Jul 20, 2026, 03:27 PMIt is going to be interesting to see how Favre does with weapons. It isn't the best place he could have gone since the Chiefs are a run first offense but he will have a run game to support him, 3 good WR and one of the top TEs and a good line. He can't blame a lack of talent if he doesn't produce now.
#35
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by Jason Howard - Jul 20, 2026, 02:17 PMQuote from: DannyG on Jul 20, 2026, 10:28 AMI'd say half the league is offering on him. Even those of us with solid QB's would take Favre.
The real issue IMO is the cornerback ratings. We seem to have a ton of 85+ overall CB. Same with RB. Not sure if they come into the league that way or develop that way. But we are flush with 85+ overall guys at both positions. Maybe dial back the ratings for draft players?
When it comes to both positions, it is absolutely the development engine. We've had very few RB's rated 90+ to start with and the ones that were deserved to be. There are guys I know for a fact I rated in the 70's that blew up to 95+ overall at RB.
The same with CB and WR. Then some positions seem to never develop. It would help if the game had a clearer development engine. There is no setting for it anywhere and no manual to tell you how it works. So, we just roll with it.
#36
NFL Draft / Re: 2003 NFL Draft
Last post by Jason Howard - Jul 20, 2026, 02:12 PMUPDATED DRAFT ORDER (FINAL FOUR PICKS ALL THAT WAS AFFECTED) AND DRAFT POOL
Round Pick Team Player Salary
1 1 Dallas Cowboys - Terrell Suggs, LB
1 2 Miami Dolphins - Tony Romo, QB
1 3 San Francisco 49ers - Andre Johnson, WR
1 4 Carolina Panthers - Carson Palmer, QB
1 5 Detroit Lions - Troy Polamalu, SS
1 6 Cleveland Browns - Antonio Gates, TE
1 7 New Orleans Saints - David Diehl, OG
1 8 Phoenix Cardinals - Ken Hamlin, FS
1 9 San Diego Chargers (from Pit) - Kevin Williams, DT
1 10 Seattle Seahawks - Anquan Bolden, WR
1 11 Tennessee Titans - Willis McGahee, RB
1 12 Miami Dolphins (from LAA) - Charles Tillman, CB
1 13 Cincinnati Bengals (from Atl) - Rashean Mathis, CB
1 14 Cincinnati Bengals - Lance Briggs, LB
1 15 Washington Redskins - Robert Mathis, DE
1 16 New England Patriots - Eric Steinbeck, OG
1 17 New York Giants - Jason Witten, TE
1 18 Denver Broncos - Jordan Gross, OT
1 19 Jacksonville Jaguars - EJ Henderson, LB
1 20 San Diego Chargers - Yeremiah Bell, SS
1 21 Kansas City Chiefs - Larry Johnson, RB
1 22 Chicago Bears (from Ind) - Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
1 23 Los Angeles Rams - Nick Barnett, LB
1 24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -
1 25 Chicago Bears -
1 26 Buffalo Bills -
1 27 Green Bay Packers -
1 28 Baltimore Ravens -
1 29 Tennessee Titans (from Min) -
1 30 New York Jets -
1 31 Houston Oilers -
1 32 Miami Dolphins (from Phi) -
Draft Pool
Name Pos Age Ovr
Andre Johnson WR 22 93
Charles Tillman CB 22 93
Troy Polamalu SS 22 91
Terrell Suggs LB 21 90
Jordan Gross T 23 89
Anquan Boldin WR 23 88
Rashean Mathis CB 23 88
Antonio Gates TE 23 88
Lance Briggs LB 23 87
David Diehl G 23 87
Kevin Williams DT 23 86
EJ Henderson LB 23 85
Robert Mathis DE 22 85
Dan Koppen C 24 85
Willis McGahee RB 23 85
Jon Stinchcomb T 24 85
Ken Hamlin FS 22 85
Nnamdi Asomugha CB 22 85
Larry Johnson RB 24 84
Asante Samuel CB 22 84
Nick Barnett LB 22 84
Jason Witten TE 21 83
Eric Steinbach G 23 82
Wade Smith T 22 82
Terence Newman CB 25 82
Jeff Faine C 22 82
Osi Umenyiora DE 23 81
Vince Manuwai G 23 81
Carson Palmer QB 25 81
Yeremiah Bell SS 26 81
Tony Romo QB 24 81
Ryan Pontbriand C 24 80
Eugene Wilson FS 23 80
Cato June LB 24 79
Marcus Trufant CB 23 79
Al Johnson C 25 79
Mike Doss SS 22 79
Kris Dielman G 22 78
Terrence McGee CB 23 78
Derrick Dockery G 23 77
Tully Banta-Cain LB 23 77
Scott Shanle LB 24 77
Dallas Clark TE 24 77
Jarret Johnson LB 22 77
Chris Crocker CB 23 77
Dewayne Robertson DT 22 77
Montrae Holland G 23 76
Pisa Tinoisamoa LB 22 76
Ike Taylor CB 23 76
Aubrayo Franklin DT 23 76
George Foster T 23 75
Boss Bailey LB 24 75
Calvin Pace LB 23 75
Ty Warren DE 22 75
Victor Hobson LB 23 75
Bradie James LB 22 75
Chris Brown RB 22 75
Justin Fargas FB 23 75
Nate Burleson WR 22 75
Drayton Florence CB 23 75
Brandon Lloyd WR 22 74
Reggie Wells G 23 74
Hunter Hillenmeyer LB 23 74
Kawika Mitchell LB 24 74
Gerald Hayes LB 23 74
Chris Kelsay DE 24 74
Justin Gage WR 22 74
Kwame Harris T 21 74
Bryant Johnson WR 22 74
Donald Strickland CB 23 74
Jeremi Johnson FB 23 74
Jordan Black T 24 73
Jimmy Wilkerson DE 22 73
Cory Redding DT 23 73
Artose Pinner RB 25 72
Scott Kooistra T 23 72
Tony Pashos T 24 72
Jerome McDougle DE 25 72
Ovie Mughelli FB 23 72
Byron Leftwich QB 23 71
Sean Mahan G 23 71
Kassim Osgood WR 23 71
Arnaz Battle WR 23 71
Kevin Walter WR 22 71
LJ Smith TE 23 71
Rex Grossman QB 23 70
Dewayne White DE 24 70
Kelley Washington WR 24 70
Donald Lee TE 23 70
Tyler Brayton DE 24 70
Visanthe Shiancoe TE 23 70
Kyle Boller QB 22 69
Seneca Wallace QB 25 68
David Tyree WR 23 68
Angelo Crowell LB 22 68
Chaun Thompson LB 23 68
Dan Klecko LB 22 68
Todd Williams T 26 68
Bobby Wade WR 22 68
Terry Mickens WR 23 67
Greg DeLong TE 22 67
Dave Ragone QB 24 67
Brooks Bollinger QB 25 67
Josh Brown K 24 67
Round Pick Team Player Salary
1 1 Dallas Cowboys - Terrell Suggs, LB
1 2 Miami Dolphins - Tony Romo, QB
1 3 San Francisco 49ers - Andre Johnson, WR
1 4 Carolina Panthers - Carson Palmer, QB
1 5 Detroit Lions - Troy Polamalu, SS
1 6 Cleveland Browns - Antonio Gates, TE
1 7 New Orleans Saints - David Diehl, OG
1 8 Phoenix Cardinals - Ken Hamlin, FS
1 9 San Diego Chargers (from Pit) - Kevin Williams, DT
1 10 Seattle Seahawks - Anquan Bolden, WR
1 11 Tennessee Titans - Willis McGahee, RB
1 12 Miami Dolphins (from LAA) - Charles Tillman, CB
1 13 Cincinnati Bengals (from Atl) - Rashean Mathis, CB
1 14 Cincinnati Bengals - Lance Briggs, LB
1 15 Washington Redskins - Robert Mathis, DE
1 16 New England Patriots - Eric Steinbeck, OG
1 17 New York Giants - Jason Witten, TE
1 18 Denver Broncos - Jordan Gross, OT
1 19 Jacksonville Jaguars - EJ Henderson, LB
1 20 San Diego Chargers - Yeremiah Bell, SS
1 21 Kansas City Chiefs - Larry Johnson, RB
1 22 Chicago Bears (from Ind) - Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
1 23 Los Angeles Rams - Nick Barnett, LB
1 24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers -
1 25 Chicago Bears -
1 26 Buffalo Bills -
1 27 Green Bay Packers -
1 28 Baltimore Ravens -
1 29 Tennessee Titans (from Min) -
1 30 New York Jets -
1 31 Houston Oilers -
1 32 Miami Dolphins (from Phi) -
Draft Pool
Name Pos Age Ovr
Charles Tillman CB 22 93
Troy Polamalu SS 22 91
Terrell Suggs LB 21 90
Jordan Gross T 23 89
Anquan Boldin WR 23 88
Rashean Mathis CB 23 88
Antonio Gates TE 23 88
Lance Briggs LB 23 87
David Diehl G 23 87
Kevin Williams DT 23 86
EJ Henderson LB 23 85
Robert Mathis DE 22 85
Jon Stinchcomb T 24 85
Nnamdi Asomugha CB 22 85
Larry Johnson RB 24 84
Jason Witten TE 21 83
Eric Steinbach G 23 82
Terence Newman CB 25 82
Jeff Faine C 22 82
Osi Umenyiora DE 23 81
Vince Manuwai G 23 81
Yeremiah Bell SS 26 81
Tony Romo QB 24 81
Eugene Wilson FS 23 80
Cato June LB 24 79
Marcus Trufant CB 23 79
Al Johnson C 25 79
Mike Doss SS 22 79
Kris Dielman G 22 78
Terrence McGee CB 23 78
Derrick Dockery G 23 77
Tully Banta-Cain LB 23 77
Scott Shanle LB 24 77
Dallas Clark TE 24 77
Jarret Johnson LB 22 77
Chris Crocker CB 23 77
Dewayne Robertson DT 22 77
Montrae Holland G 23 76
Pisa Tinoisamoa LB 22 76
Ike Taylor CB 23 76
Aubrayo Franklin DT 23 76
George Foster T 23 75
Boss Bailey LB 24 75
Calvin Pace LB 23 75
Ty Warren DE 22 75
Victor Hobson LB 23 75
Bradie James LB 22 75
Chris Brown RB 22 75
Justin Fargas FB 23 75
Nate Burleson WR 22 75
Drayton Florence CB 23 75
Brandon Lloyd WR 22 74
Reggie Wells G 23 74
Hunter Hillenmeyer LB 23 74
Kawika Mitchell LB 24 74
Gerald Hayes LB 23 74
Chris Kelsay DE 24 74
Justin Gage WR 22 74
Kwame Harris T 21 74
Bryant Johnson WR 22 74
Donald Strickland CB 23 74
Jeremi Johnson FB 23 74
Jordan Black T 24 73
Jimmy Wilkerson DE 22 73
Cory Redding DT 23 73
Artose Pinner RB 25 72
Scott Kooistra T 23 72
Tony Pashos T 24 72
Jerome McDougle DE 25 72
Ovie Mughelli FB 23 72
Byron Leftwich QB 23 71
Sean Mahan G 23 71
Kassim Osgood WR 23 71
Arnaz Battle WR 23 71
Kevin Walter WR 22 71
LJ Smith TE 23 71
Rex Grossman QB 23 70
Dewayne White DE 24 70
Kelley Washington WR 24 70
Donald Lee TE 23 70
Tyler Brayton DE 24 70
Visanthe Shiancoe TE 23 70
Kyle Boller QB 22 69
Seneca Wallace QB 25 68
David Tyree WR 23 68
Angelo Crowell LB 22 68
Chaun Thompson LB 23 68
Dan Klecko LB 22 68
Todd Williams T 26 68
Bobby Wade WR 22 68
Terry Mickens WR 23 67
Greg DeLong TE 22 67
Dave Ragone QB 24 67
Brooks Bollinger QB 25 67
Josh Brown K 24 67
#37
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by KCTodd - Jul 20, 2026, 01:55 PMYASSSSSSSSS!
I gave him the maximum contract it would allow. Just need to get him another WR.
I gave him the maximum contract it would allow. Just need to get him another WR.
#38
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by DannyG - Jul 20, 2026, 12:03 PMWell, that suspense didn't last long. 12 mil per year for 2 years with a 5% bonus for a ring? Lord, blew my offer out of the water. 
Favre is a chief. Note to self, next time KC says hes going big he's going big.
Potentially worth 28 million if he wins 2 rings for the Chiefs, for 2 years of work. Gotta be the biggest contract forked out in this league so far.
Favre is a chief. Note to self, next time KC says hes going big he's going big.
Potentially worth 28 million if he wins 2 rings for the Chiefs, for 2 years of work. Gotta be the biggest contract forked out in this league so far.
#39
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by PhillyTim - Jul 20, 2026, 11:36 AMI don't want to be the guy that just won a chip and becomes a know it all but I will say that I found it highly rewarding to tear down and rebuild. I pretty much the first several seasons just tried to keep the team I had in 1988 together and replace them as they left. All built around randall cunningham.
When I had a chance to rebuild I pretty much decided I was going to be really good at one thing on offense and defense and try my best to be okay at the rest.
I decided I was going to run the ball better than anyone so I invested in all three types of backs. I invested in run blocking machines on the line. I didn't forget passing but it was secondary. If you can't help my running game I don't need you on offense no matter how good you are elsewhere.
I did the same with defense. Then I built my playbooks around it.
It worked! My run game was unstoppable last season and it kept me in close games, won enough to make the playoffs and won when it mattered.
When I had a chance to rebuild I pretty much decided I was going to be really good at one thing on offense and defense and try my best to be okay at the rest.
I decided I was going to run the ball better than anyone so I invested in all three types of backs. I invested in run blocking machines on the line. I didn't forget passing but it was secondary. If you can't help my running game I don't need you on offense no matter how good you are elsewhere.
I did the same with defense. Then I built my playbooks around it.
It worked! My run game was unstoppable last season and it kept me in close games, won enough to make the playoffs and won when it mattered.
#40
Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favre
Last post by ChadT - Jul 20, 2026, 11:12 AMI prefer this league to the baseball league honestly. It used to be the opposite. I enjoy the FA rules and the fact no one understands the game really well other than Houston. We have new champions and teams in the playoffs all of the time.
It sucks to build a team and then look at my roster and half of it is gone and I gotta rebuild. But it was also nice when I blew my team up and had nothing I was able to rebuild it. In baseball I have managed to win with the Marlins but it is so much harder. One mess up or player that goes bust can kill your odds of a world series for a decade. Meanwhile the top end teams just keep reloading.
I wish we could institute a cap in baseball but then it wouldn't be realistic. Then again, the Yankees are probably going to dominate no matter what we do. They have a ton of money but also the best GM hands down. He just may not win 126 games in a season and only 102.
It sucks to build a team and then look at my roster and half of it is gone and I gotta rebuild. But it was also nice when I blew my team up and had nothing I was able to rebuild it. In baseball I have managed to win with the Marlins but it is so much harder. One mess up or player that goes bust can kill your odds of a world series for a decade. Meanwhile the top end teams just keep reloading.
I wish we could institute a cap in baseball but then it wouldn't be realistic. Then again, the Yankees are probably going to dominate no matter what we do. They have a ton of money but also the best GM hands down. He just may not win 126 games in a season and only 102.